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bill_m



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: Ca and CHa Reply with quote

A lot of Latin words began with "ca", and Spanish and Italian and other Romance languages honored this. But a lot of the French cognates have a "cha" instead, such as "caritas"(Lat), "carita'"(Ita), "caridad"(Spa), but "charity" in English, through the French "charité".

What's the deal with the French? What caused them to mess with this rather basic sound?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:06 am    Post subject: Celtic? Reply with quote

When the Romans occupied France, it had a large Celtic population. The Celtic languages are famous for changing the [i]beginning [/i]of words as well as the ends of words for different uses in a sentence. They especially aspirated consonants at the beginning of words ("F"->"FH", "M"->"MH"="v"), etc.

Any chance that the "c" to "ch" shift was related to this?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Ca and CHa Reply with quote

If that were true, why would it be only with "C" followed by "a" and not other vowels? Hmmmn, well, "cher" comes from "cara", doesn't it?

But what about "co-" words?...oh! "cosa"->"chose"! Are there any other French words that begin with "cho-" that came from Latin "co-"?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh, this does seem to be more common with "ca-" than with other constructions...

campus - champ
camera - chambre
catena - chaine
calor (Sp) - chaleur
candele - chandelle
cambiare - change(?)
canto - chant
capello - chapelle
cada (Sp) - chaque
caricare - charge
carita' - charite'
carta - charte
cacciare - chasser
castita' - chastete'
gatto - chat
castello - chateau
calzone - chausette

Any more?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about all the che- words?

capo - chef
camino - chemin
caro - cher
camisa - chemise
cercare - cherche
cavallo - cheval
capelli - cheveux
capro - chevre
(casa) - chez
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